Talk: Batman and Harley Quinn

Henchman cameos

I got plenty of the henchmen cameos, but I've missed several. Feel free to add. --Tupka²¹⁷ 15:50, August 16, 2017 (UTC)

• Calendar Boys
• Candace
• Captain Clown
• Emmylou Brown
• Germs
• Henshaw
• Ice Maiden
• Jay
• Mavis
• Mo, Lar and Cur
• Min and Max
• Nitro
• Numbers
• Randa Duane
• Ratso
• Rhino
• Rocco
• Snap
• Ubu

From this list it just looks like you're missing

• Enrique El Gancho

The dancing woman is also from Batman '66 f I remember correctly Product(RFR!) (talk) 22:27, January 22, 2019 (UTC)

DCAU connection

It may be unclear that it was a part of the DC Animated Universe but it is possible since it was a continuity of Batman the Animated Series and Booster Gold was calling Batman on the Batmobile from the Watchtower. --Pborri (talk) 00:24, March 21, 2018 (UTC)

I don't know how it could be unclear to anyone who'd watched Batman TAS, the animation style is basically identical. It's very distinct from the other recent Batman/JL films. talk2ty 12:45, October 19, 2018 (UTC)

So is this one. Style means nothing. --Tupka²¹⁷ 17:19, October 19, 2018 (UTC)

What bookdid Harley mean

Around 25m in when she switches off the light "I always kinda thought you and Batman didn't like girls. You know, that book, with the headlights and the eyeball gouging. I had to write a paper on it back in college". Not sure what she was talking about. talk2ty 12:45, October 19, 2018 (UTC)

The 1960s version of Batman was not played as straight. PSH aka Kimera 757 (talk) contribs 00:14, October 22, 2018 (UTC)

Probably Wertham. It's always Wertham. --Tupka²¹⁷ 13:51, October 22, 2018 (UTC)

Canonicity section is one-sided and teetering on biased

The sneak peek referenced doesn't say what the page suggests it says. Jim Kreig's quote is “This is kind of a strange red headed nephew of Batman: the Animated Series, but don’t show it to your kids thinking that it’s Batman: the Animated Series. It is it’s own thing kind of extrapolated.” It seems obvious that his statement is in regards to the adult tone of the film. In fact, in the same sneak peek we get the quotes “They grab these characters that are so established from Batman: the Animated Series and found a way to spin them in this like 80’s roadshow.” from Wes Gleason and “I love this script. It really captures the essence of the show again.” from Loren Lester. Not to mention that same short Jim says he did next to no work on the project and that Bruce had most of it done before he was brought on board.

If we want to take Kreig quotes as indication of canonicity though we could use “This is the first time I get to work in the BTAS Universe" “This is a world we know about and we care about, and have for years.” or “If it’s in a universe, it’s in a BTAS universe or maybe BTAS adjacent." (which he clarifies to be more of a comment on the comedy aspect being different from the original show.) “This is Kevin and Bruce’s Batman from Batman: The Animated Series.” “Batman is still Batman in this. The Batman we know from BTAS.” “I got to jump into the world of saturday morning from a few decades ago.” “I think the most challenging part of this project was that Batman: the Animated Series is kind of a holy of holies in our community, if we have a community, and I think we didn’t want to be disrespectful to it because it’s important to a lot of people, but we were writing a comedy kind of set in that world. So I think that the challenge was to not be offensive to the original audience, but still make a funny movie.” “Y’know what, it is Batman: The Animated series with kind of a layer of comedy on top of it”

Also, Timm's "I'm not sure if it's continuity" quote is used disengniuously here. His quote is specifically:

“I don’t really know. I personally kind of think that it is, but I’m not actually in control of what’s in continuity and what isn’t because there’s been several other classic Batman animated-style movies that I didn’t have anything to do with, so technically they’re canon even though I didn’t have anything to do with them, so technically this could be continuity or it could just be head-canon. I don’t know.”

Which is refering to how Batman & Mr. Freeze: Sub-Zero and Mystery of the Batwoman are canon despite his lack of involvement. Basically implying DC and WB have the final say. WB released that sneak peek that directly tied the movie to BTAS, had a press release for SDCC in which they said “Animation legend Bruce Timm returns to his Batman: The Animated Series roots with an original tale to mark the 30th entry in the popular DC Universe Original Movies series.” DC also has 3 pages on their website that tag the film with "Batman: the animated series" another page that says “Batman and Harley Quinn promises to be more of a throwback to the lighter Quinn romps of Timm’s iconic Batman: The Animated Series, and once again features the fan-favorite Kevin Conroy as the voice of Batman. Joining him from the B:tAS days is Loren Lester as Nightwing.” and on the back of the trade release for the movie's tie-in comics "Head back to the universe of Batman: The Animated Series in Batman and Harley Quinn." I understand that this wiki doesn't count the comics due to a quote from Timm in Modern Masters saying they aren't canon, but it seems very contradictory to exclude one thing because he says they aren't canon, but then use a quote where he says that's not his decision to exclude another.

However, if we want to expand on what Bruce has said regarding the movie:

"it was just an excuse to kind of go back to the BTAS world", “But at the same time, if I was gonna do a Harley Quinn movie, y’know, the BTAS world and the classic Harley costume and personality is the one I’m most comfortable with, so that’s the one I chose to go with.” (1:30)

“Are you excited to come back and revisit the whole Batman series?” - Interviewer “Hell yeah! For sure, absolutely! It wasn’t anything I realized I really wanted until I was in the middle of it and I was like ‘yeah it’s good to be doing this again’.” - Bruce Timm

“I gotta ask, cause you brought it back, so are we gonna see more from the classic Batman: the Animated Series timeline and universe? Do you wanna do more stories?” - interviewer “Yeah, sure, I would be totally up for it. I can pretty much guarantee you that if everyone watching this goes out and buys 20 copies of the movie then we’ll end up doing more.” - Bruce Timm

“I came up with an idea and wanted to do it in the old Batman: The Animated Series universe where she originated, and everybody was okay with that so here we are.” Product(RFR!) (talk) 14:37, January 22, 2019 (UTC)

Poison Ivy Continuity

"Batman states that neither Poison Ivy nor Floronic Man were fully human to begin with. This would seem to indicate that the real Poison Ivy never returned to Gotham City after she left a clone of herself behind in "House & Garden"."

This is incorrect. As I mentioned above, this wiki doesn't take the DCAU tie-in material into consideration as continuity, but that's where this "Ivy is actualy a clone" storyline originated from (Batman Adventures Volume 2 #16 - Flower Girl). And even then, Ty Templeton has stated that the swap didn't happen until AFTER TNBA. As far as the wiki is concerned, she should have left in House & Garden and then returned during Lock-Up (as witnessed in the news report Lyle Bolton is watching). Her being swapped out for a clone at that point in time in on-screen only continuity is merely conjecture. Product(RFR!) (talk) 22:18, January 22, 2019 (UTC)

Thank God this wiki has some sense! "But the art style is the same though" Characters acting out of character is enough for me to exclude it from the canon. Gosh this was bad!! Markusklein (talk) 23:57, March 16, 2019 (UTC)